Genetička istraživanja naroda!!

[Trbotor]

E sad nemojte mi rechi da sam, kad sam ovo pisao

http://www.imoart.hr/forum/index.php?topic=520.0



znao da u zapadnoj Irskoj ima tog "nashega" M423. Ako se na gornjoj karti pogleda M26, vidi se da je "centrala" na Sardiniji, te da ga ima josh u Baskiji, zap. Francuzkoj i sivernoj Englezkoj, shto uputjuje na pridpostavku o selitbi morem. Mozsda je tako i M423 odplovio od jadranske obale do zap. obale Irske. Ma vidio sam ja kad sam bio u Irskoj kako me svit docsekao. Ma rodijaci i gotovo.

http://www.comunedimogorella.it/

http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogorjelo

[Trbotor]

http://mapsof.net/arxana/satellite-maps

http://www.zdarzano.com/


www.comunediarzana.it/index.php

[Trbotor]

http://mapsof.net/arxana/satellite-maps

http://www.zdarzano.com/

Genetics

The original Nuraghe inhabitants of Sardinia, who are now concentrated in the interior of the island due to pressure from colonists, are a genetic anomaly[citation needed] in the region. They belong to Y-chromosome haplogroup I, which otherwise has high frequency only in Scandinavia and the Croatia-Bosnia area.

Furthermore, the I haplogroup of the indigenous Sardinians is of the I1b1b subtype, which is unique to the island. The I1b1b haplogroup also has a low distribution in and around the Pyrenees, indicating some migration of Sardinians to or from that area. The Sardinian subtype is more closely related to the Croatian-Bosnian subtype than to the Scandinavian subtype. Sardinia also has a relatively high distribution of Y-chromosome haplogroup G, stemming from people that migrated to Sardinia from Anatolia. The Y-chromosome haplogroup G also has a relatively high concentration in and around the Pyrenees, again indicating migration of Sardinians to or from that area.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia

[Zavelim]

Ta I haplogrupa na Sardiniji je dokaz kako je P37.2 nasta i bio raširen negdi na našem području i da je jedan dio otiša "priko mora" (more bit da je onda more još bilo suvo jer se radi negdi o vrimenu od prije 13tak tisuća godina kad je more bilo još dosta nisko), dobio novi marker M26 te se njegovi potomci raširili po Sardiniji.

[belevarac]

Inacse ISOGG-ova najnovija razredba je:

 I2a2   M423
•      I2a2*   -
•      •       I2a2a   P41.2/M359.2   (See Notes)
•      •       I2a2b   L69.2(=T)/S163.2   (See Notes)

•L69.2(=T)/S163.2 appears in Haplogroup I. L69/S163 appears in multiple locations.
•The exact relationship between P41.2/M359.2 and L69.2(=T)/S163.2 is being studied as of 19 April 2009 as one sample is positive for both. The current chart shows them as mutually exclusive.

Evo sam pocseo sam sebe citirati.
Eto i ja sam izpitao L69 i izpalo je L69+, shto znacsi da pripadam skupini I2a2b. Ne vidim hotje li ovaj bilig u csemu pomochi i shto znacsi, jer ga imaju nieki izpitanici i u Irskoj i na britanskom otocsju. Ocsito je mladji od M423, jer ima onih s M423 koji nemaju L69, ali imaju P41.2. Znacsi tu niekakvo grananje postoji, ali ja barem ne uvidjam njegovu prostornu uvitovanost. Ocsito josh nije nadjen bilig koji bi nas odvojio od recsenog otocsja.

[Zavelim]

•The exact relationship between P41.2/M359.2 and L69.2(=T)/S163.2 is being studied as of 19 April 2009 as one sample is positive for both.

Ovo je zbunjola.  

Ispada da jedni imaju samo jedan, drugi samo drugi, a treći i jedan i drugi biljeg. To bi bilo moguće jedino ako se jedan od tih biljega, mutacija dva put okinio na istom mistu unutar NRY na isti način. Moguće je i to jer se ovde radi o samo jednom nukleotidu čini mi se.  Sigurnije je kad su markeri s više slova.

[Slovak]

sve van je to ko moja lingvistika. 

[marko]

Pozdrav svima.

I ja imam I2a2b. Malo sam u zabludi, je ovo haplogrupa iz područja Sardinije?

[Zavelim]

Nije, iz Sardinije su I2a1 i I2a1a, odnosno sve što ima biljeg M26.

[belevarac]

Teoriji seobe Slavina ni genetika nishta ne mozse:

My phylogenetic reconstructions show that Slovakia/western Ukraine (more
precise area is the region of Carpathian mountains and perhaps even region
of the former "Great Moravia") is likely to be the place, where the
"original population of I2a2-Din" lived prior to the Balkan migration.

Sincerely

Vadim Verenich

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I/2009-09/1251883027

[belevarac]

Pozdrav svima.

I ja imam I2a2b. Malo sam u zabludi, je ovo haplogrupa iz područja Sardinije?

Jesi li izpitivao samo haploskupinu ili i DYS-ove?

[Slovak]

Teoriji seobe Slavina ni genetika nishta ne mozse:
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nemojte me krećat, sad smo dvojica. tvrda je to stina, i ne samo stina. možda triba priči skinut politički njuf?

[belevarac]

Uh, ba, njiha dva, a jadna brojitba (statistic) sama.

[marko]

Kad sam prvo napravio ovaj obični STR test sve mi je bilo logično, imam I2a  haplogrupo koja ima porijeklo iz područja Hrvatske i Bosne.

Napravio sam i "Backbone SNP" i "I Subclade" te dobio neko grupo I2a2b(L69=T+) i nemam pojma šta je ovo, jer nema nikdje objašnjenja.

Ako neko zna čitat ove podace ima ovdje priložen dokument.

[Zavelim]

Pa to ti je nova podila unutar dinarsko/irske??? grupe

 I2a2   M423
•      I2a2*   -
•      •       I2a2a   P41.2/M359.2   (See Notes)
•      •       I2a2b   L69.2(=T)/S163.2   (See Notes)

Ti imaš L69 i zato spadaš u I2a2b i očito dosta ljudi kod nas ima taj novootkriveni biljeg. Baš čitam na ovim stranicama:

Oct 22, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for two SNP L69
(1) Isles-B2 ancestry USA tested L69 negative
(2) Din-S ancestry Bosnia and Herzegovina tested L69 positive

Oct 15, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 330 in the lab due 11/30/09 which includes the following SNP tests:
(1) L159.1 by donor with subclade M26-France ancestry: USA
(2) I-L69 by donor with subclade Isles-B2 ancestry: USA
(3) I-L69 by donor with subclade Din-S ancestry: Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Oct 14, 2009: FTDNA reports a new member of I2a has ordered SNP L69. His subclade is Din-S with ancestry: Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Oct 13, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for SNP L69 is positive for a donor whose clade is Din-S with ancestry in Bosnia & Herzegovina.

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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=news